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Post: #1How is it that anything even exists at all?

Why do things prefer to exist rather then to not exist?

When I look and see existential reality with my eyes, being the outside world relative to my inner life, why is all that there?.... as opposed to there being nothing?

Why does all the material and vacumn and immaterial space in the universe and beyond exist versus not exist?

If there is are living, thinking, feeling beings existing as a creation in one truly ultra-microscopic place in the universe on earth, why is it not more rational that the universe and beyond can at a mega-macroscopic scale that exceeds the time, space constrains of the universe not possess a living, thinking, feeling being versus not?

Why am I, an I? If I am an I, why then at the same time the universe cannot have a greater You in it, much greater then I or others like me?

Ladies and gentlemen DISCARD YOUR BELIEF based worldview systems and rather base your lives on FACTS.

Atheism is a myth, just like belief in the tooth fairy, but it doesnt have an object as the centrepiece of its myth but rather the idea, a subject, that there is no object as its myth.

Most Christians suffer from the same delusion. They have God as a myth as opposed to the knowing of Him. They BELIEVE in a mythical God as opposed to knowing Him through personal experience.

Enzo, this is just the same thing you've said in 3 or so other threads. As for logic, I base my logic on FACTS, as you say, and since there is no PROOF of a deity, I do not believe in one. Philosophically, this point is interesting- why do we exist? I happen to like the feeling that we are all very very lucky to be here. But atheism is not a myth, and to be clear neither is christianity. The myth part is the "god" that religions tend to go on about, but the religions themselves are not myths- they exist very obviously. That is why you cannot say atheism is a myth- maybe you disagree with its tenets, but going around claming it is impossible without presenting any actual facts is just silly.

You speculate things that are impossible to prove, and then ask us to base our lives on your so-called facts? I'm not saying that what you suggest is impossible- perhaps the universe and beyond does contain this "greater You." But possibility does not plausibility- and when you realize that it is equally likely that there ISNT one of these "greater You"s floating around. In fact, since we only have hard evidence for natural means of the workings of the universe, at the moment the idea that there isn't a supreme being has a lot more supporting evidence.

Your preaching is wearing thin. I also am a bit confused, because you a times seem to be an existentialist and other times (although you may be trying to hide it behind a mask of supposed logic and free thinking) you are fairly clearly a christian. The two points of view are hard to reconcile and when you talk about existential reality and "the knowing of Him" in the same post I can't help but laugh. Why do you feel you are so much better than other christians, and know god so intimately? Only the chosen few can truly know "Him through personal experience," I suppose. It's obvious that you are heavily biased towards there being a god, so I don't think for a second you will actually stop to think about what I'm saying here. But just try to be wary about the words you use, and don't assume that your logic and words are incredibly convincing, because they're not. If you want to actually convince people of anything, you're going to have to do a lot better than jumbled sentences that are simply untrue and an unwillingness to actually think things through.

You are basically asking why are things the way they are and not different or perhaps not here at all.

Well, if things were not here at all then you wouldn't be asking the question. If things were somehow different and, you were still here, then you would be asking the same question about a different Universe.

The simple fact is that things are the way they are because that's the way they are because we are here to observe them.

Also, the question 'why' is a very anthropic question. No other animal as far as I know asks or even understands this question.

Why is the Universe here? Who says it needs a reason?

We can work out how the Universe came into existance and even work out its ultimate fate but I don't think the word why comes into it. It may and probably is the case that there is no reason at. all.

What you are unable to see and understand is:

Because human beings as persons with life exist, God exists as person with life. Because Human Beings as persons where created by the Universe, they were created by all that is behind the Universe and beyond that is person and life. The existence of this makes atheism in all its forms a logical impossibility and a false philosophy.

Think about the logic till you understand

I know the experiences you are having.
They are delusions about reality.
Think
Think
Think till you get it

So because dogs as creatures with life exist, the Dog God (woot palindrome) exists as a creature with life?
Are there plant Gods to?
If not, what makes us so special? Why are we more important that other animals when Evolution shows that we are not?

How do you know what is beyond the universe? We cannot even see the edge of the universe so where is your proof?

You have not proved that any of this exists. You have made several logical fallacies in your argument and have not addressed the evidence. So far, atheism is the only train of thought that addresses the known evidence. All other branches of theism assume a God and try to work that idea in with the evidence.

Why are we here? Who cares?

What is our purpose to life? That's subjective.

Where will we go? It doesn't matter.

Nuff said.

I think the question "Why are we here?" is subjective as well. What we really should be looking at is "How are we here?", and that is what Evolution and Abiogenesis tries to answer.

Searching for answers to questions like HOW we're here is an attempt to gain knowledge.

Searching for answers to questions like WHY we're here is an attempt to correct your own emotional instability.

Evolution explains nothing except how life evolved. You have pinned your hopes and beliefs on a process which in the scale of the universe is a microscopic and local peculiarity to the earth. Using evolution as an argument for the non-existence of God is great to get you into the third grade, but not to stand amongst the rank and file of serious academia.

Evolution so clearly shows how special we human beings are as persons compared to every other life form we know. Its so glaring that any person with some sense is humbled by it and begins to think responsibly towards the rest of creation. How did you come up with that one? We are building space stations and hadron colliders and dominating every single thing we can get our hands on. I call it a disorder almost.

When you look at a rose and smell its perfume and note its colour?
Do you not realise that these are the properties of the universe that created it?

When you look at the human person and see the spiritual living being existing in the immaterial place of consciousness or even one step deeper more, the place from where consciousness is observed by the person, do you not see that this is a property of the Creator who is part of existence?

Why can you not accept that you are blinded by your own philosophy which is scientifism and therefore limits your understanding to only that which can be tested or verified by science?

Who told you that science is the magic bullet, who said to you that nothing else is possible and made you stop thinking and limited you?

Atheism is a disorder of great seriousness, a massive impediment to free thought.

I know!!!! We are here to make war, use the planet and kill all other life. I mean who cares right?

I know!!! Our purpose is to fullfil every desire of our body to the greatest degree that we can, maximum pleasure, or no,.. wait our purpose is to cause misery to ourselves, complete misery and as much as we can, thats also subjective. But hold on maybe there is an objective truth about the human person?

Where will it go!!!! Sure it does not matter for the atheist because when we die its just like being unconscious. Well then why not kill eveyone at once and end all the suffering. Lets just produce a mass virus and kill all people. It doesnt matter. Thats a good one, lets evolve for 4 billion years and then end it in one year because nothing matters and who cares right?

A TRUE AND CORRECT PHILOSOPHY REALLY MATTERS